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  1. Nicola Bryant Interview - DWM No. 96 - Jan 1985
  2. Nicola Bryant - A Violent End? - DWM No. 166 - Oct 1990
  3. Bonnie Langford Interview - DWM No. 131 - Dec 1987
  4. Return of the Rani - Kate O'Mara Interview - DWM No. 128 - Sept 1987 (edited)

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NICOLA BRYANT INTERVIEW
Doctor Who Magazine No. 96
January 1985


Nicola Bryant was trained in acting at the famous Webber Douglas Academy. She holds a dual American/British passport, having spent a great deal of her life on both continents, and swaps accents whenever it suits her. Nicola grins as she explains that she gets the best of both worlds as she could conceivably play Americans in Britain and Britons in America, having quite a range of dialects and accents from both places.

She is also very musical, and holds an ambition to write an Andrew Lloyd-Webber like musical, get it produced on a London stage and retire gracefully: Her range of parts played on stage whilst at drama school is diverse and interesting as everything from Miss Neville in She Stoops to Conquer through to the main role of Eliza Doolittle in Shaw's Pygmalion. It was by playing Nanette in No, no Nanette that someone suggested she audition for the role of Perpugilliam Brown, the young botany student destined to become the sixth Doctor's travelling companion. Her agent sent in a photograph to Doctor Who producer John Nathan-Turner and he agreed to see her. After a total of four auditions competing with actresses who had flown over from America and Canada, she was given the role. I talked to Nicola towards the end of the studio videotaping sessions for the fourth story of next season, The Two Doctors, just a few days before she was due to fly to America for a couple of weeks before returning here to start work on the third story, Mark of the Rani.

I asked Nicola how her first few days on Planet of Fire had been. "We had just one day's rehearsal before we went off to Lanzarote - just a read through of the script where I got to meet every body: It is difficult to rehearse film scenes though, as you have no actual idea where things will be. You can't say we'll stand on this rock or climb that mountain until you get to a location and see what it is like. Then we got on a plane and went to Lanzarote and the very first day's work was the drowning sequence - which took nearly all day and included a German nudist!" She then explained that as she was acting, floundering around in the water, a German tourist on a nearby beach thought she really was drowning and heroically leapt in to save her.

I wondered how much, if any, of Nicola Bryant is in the character of Peri. "I was lucky that I had such a long break between getting the part and actually starting. I just spent all day thinking about Peri, who she was, how she would react to things - the kind of situations that you knew companions got into and so I felt like I really know her. When I first watched the video - John said to me come and see Planet of Fire before it goes out because it'll probably be a bit of a shock - I got a shock! Then once you get over that feeling of 'Oh gosh, that's really me?' you felt 'Hey that's not me, that's Peri. It's my best friend; somebody I know very well'."

Apart from the fact that Peri was a student with a mother and step-father, was Nicola given any other brief about the character?

"No. But I knew exactly what she was from day one; I think you've got to. I don't think it's one of those parts that you can go into thinking 'Oh I'll see how she comes out' otherwise you can get yourself in all sorts of difficult situations. It's difficult to say how much of me is in Peri - the moment I started to read for the part I said 'I know this girl - I know her she's me'. So I started to think that there was a lot of me in the part as it was written. That's why I felt sure I could play her. But in the event I couldn't say really that there's more than half of me in Peri."

Stage to Screen

Bearing in mind that her first television experience had been film, how different did she find work in a studio to location work or stage?

"Completely. For a start I didn't know what this technical stuff like close up and medium close up was - it was all written as MCU, etc, so I thought, 'Right, just say the lines - mean it, and it'll be alright'. I was glad that I had all that time before because I knew the script backwards so I knew exactly where I had come from and where I was going to. Normally you never have to, if you're in a stage play you start and do it from beginning to end but here in the studio it was 'Oh goodness, I've played the scene immediately before and after on film, so now I've got to make sure they link together'.

"I feel very happy in the studio now, because I've got used to it - the same faces there and you know you're all working for the same product but then I felt happier on film because it was my first week and it was the only bit I felt I knew at all! Right now I prefer studio and I'm more nervous about doing film because you don't know what external things are going to affect you - like if it's below zero and you're playing on what is supposed to be a very hot planet."

Choice of Costume

Taking this wry comment to it's natural end, I asked for an example of this. With a grin at the memory she said, "Well, we filmed The Caves of Androzani in Devon, in the same place the BBC did Beau Geste, where it was supposed to be hot. But it was so cold we had no way of wrapping up because my costume was in direct continuity from the last story, wearing the clothes I wore in Lanzarote! I remember the cameramen saying, 'Slap your face, love, you're going blue' and then I got frost bite, and then I got pneumonia and then Peter fell ill to - it was a pretty rough shoot. Fun, eh?"

As she had brought the subject of clothing up; I asked Nicola how much choice she got in what she wore.

"Oh about 0.1 percent. Yes, that much. I might get a favourite colour if I'm lucky. In Attack of the Cybermen I start in a shocking pink leotard and shorts, then get into a sort of red jumpsuit. That wasn't my choice at all - we were aiming for a completely different color and the jumpsuit was sent away to be made by the same people who did the Cybermen but it came back big enough for two Peris! So we had to rush out and grab something off the peg. That wasn't that easy because they had stipulated that it had to be symmetrical, and most jumpsuits only have one breast pocket so we had to give up on that. You see they wanted to reverse one shot so at five to seven we just grabbed the last one we could and took it from there. Then in Varos I have a blue leotard and shorts. You see John Nathan-Turner said right at the start of this season, 'I want her in shorts and leotards.' That's how we started and that's how we'll probably end! They went out first and bought the shorts - first pink, then turquoise and even a yellow pair and then tried to find matching leotards. But in The Two Doctors I wear a psychedelic thing that glistens nicely in the sun but in Seville where we filmed it reached 102 degrees and it felt like a thermal blanket - I felt like a roast chicken. I could have used that in Devon!"

Filming in Spain

Mention of the recent filming in sunny Spain prompted me to ask what it was like, and how they coped with the local people.

"We were ten days over there and all got 'Spanish Tummy'. We were filming nearly every day from the moment you woke up right until the night, when we grabbed food and collapsed into bed. Fairly long days with fairly long journeys! You see in Lanzarote if we changed location it was maybe a 45 minute drive across the island. But in Spain it was nearly two hours drive anywhere. And we went everywhere. Peter Moffatt, our director, was wonderful - he had a saying about our locations: 'Does it say Spain?' and so there's a lot of Spain. I've seen some of the film of episode three and you can certainly tell that it is Spain. We were mostly out in a beautiful farmhouse out of the way for five or six days. It was only when we went into Seville to film that became difficult - mostly because of American tourists! People will keep quiet for one shot but by take two are bored and start whispering to each other which can easily be picked up on sound. The Spanish were very friendly to us - we had two policemen who went everywhere with us and made sure things were okay."

Making Movies

Nicola suddenly paused and broke into giggles as she remembered one incident. "We were filming in an alleyway when this rather large American tourist wandered past and yelled out: 'Gee, are you making movies? You must be from Hollywood,' and Colin Baker just shouted back, 'No, we're better than that, we're British !' And we did a bit of filming for the Cybermen story in the London streets, and there we were watched a lot. It was supposedly a deserted street but everybody was there, watching and I suddenly realised that this was the first time I'd been in the public eye whilst working and it certainly felt a bit strange."

Nicola, after only shooting six stories, has worked with three different Doctors. When Colin Baker joined the series, I wondered if he'd asked Nicola for any help or advice.

"No, he didn't. I felt there was no way I could say anything because I was so inexperienced. We're the very best of pals now - and one day over lunch he said, 'Why didn't you say this is how we do that and that is how we do this,' and I said, 'How can I, an actress of all of two months, come to you an actor of how ever many years and say 'Hey, no, Colin this is what we do here.' I thought it would be all very big-headed and come out wrong but he thought I was being snobbish and snubbing him by not talking."

Next I asked whether filming and recording on such a short amount of time was exhausting. Nicola nodded, adding: "I think only at the end of a three day studio session do I come away thinking 'Where's my bed.' Most of the time the adrenaline keeps pumping. It's not until you actually stop, like last February when the break between seasons occurred. The day after we finished, I couldn't get up, even if I wanted to. I just couldn't move because I'd told myself it was time to rest. But that's the only time you ought to, because you're in such a big team, like a football team, you just keep going until they blow the final whistle."

Moving onto the story she was near to completing, and the one which had given her such a glowing sun tan, I asked about the various familiar faces in The Two Doctors. "Well, when John said, 'We're bringing back the Sontarans,' I said, 'Gimme the videos!' Not that it really matters a lot to me because I have to look at them from Peri's point of view. I've had a lot of questions about how much research into the past I'd done about Peri, etc, but Peri is Peri, she's not part of another character and she's not part of the Doctor. She's completely new and everything is new to her unless it's from her immediate past, like the Master. But with the Sontarans I thought I'd like to watch them because they would be something interesting to see - I like the old programmes! Yet I didn't watch any of Patrick Troughton's stories because I thought it would be better to see how he played it in our rehearsals. And I didn't know anything about Fraser's part because I think Fraser must have been in it before I can remember."

That seemed to automatically lead onto the next, perennial question - how long has Nicola watched the show?

"Ever since I can remember. A Saturday tea time thing which I would drag my sister to watch as well. She hated it - we were both petrified of it, her more than me. So I, being ever the good sister, forced her to watch it. We had a sofa with carved wooden legs, so we kept our feet tucked right up, thinking the Daleks were underneath. My mother used to come in at the end and tell us to come for tea but we wouldn't leave the sofa until two more programmes had finished in case they were still there. It's addictive viewing."

Bearing in mind that it has been on almost as long as Nicola has been alive, I posed her the question of the programme's survival.

"I understand there can be 13 Doctors, so as long as they can find reasons for the change, I don't see why it should ever stop. Another reason is because it is big in the States. You look at the American market and they've got Dallas, Star Trek and they've even got those terrible commercial breaks and that's it - so Doctor Who fills a very big gap in the market. It won't peter out now, not now it's got started, and so those people who watch it will always stay. As a per capita percentage of all Americans, there's not many viewers but it is at least as many fans as over here. I think it will grow, not diminish. A lot depends on whether it goes onto Network TV or stays on the PBS channels."

My next question concerned her time in between seasons - the gap between last February and the start of the new season's work last May.

"Well, I had a horrible time with the press! First of all it was 'How's it like to be the new companion?' and soon that was over. Phew, I thought, but almost immediately 'What's it like to be in Peter Davison's last story?' and then, phew, that was over. And then, just as Colin's first story went out and he had literally just left the country to do The Mousetrap in Sweden, it was, 'What is it like to be with Colin Baker?' and it never stopped. It wasn't just one paper but all of them, one after another. I just wasn't prepared for it. I thought, 'Wow! Now I can rest and watch the old black and white matinee films,' but no chance! Eventually I had to pull out all the phone plugs. It wasn't so much the photocalls, but I did do interview on top of interview and I just got so exhausted. These interviewers wouldn't agree to a big block interview they could all attend, they wanted an individual one every time! And as well as the Dailies there were the Sunday Papers. In fact, one Sunday paper got me to do a four hour photographic session next to Putney Bridge in the freezing cold. Then there was the Boat Race disaster so they never used them - then they rang me up and suggested re-doing another session the following weekend. But I'm afraid I just said 'No way! Use what you've got'."

Pressing Photo-Calls

Mention of the Sunday papers and their photo sessions brought me onto the question of what a photo session actually involved. Did Nicola feel that the sort of pin-up style photos she was expected to do were more exploitation of her femininity than a presscall about Peri? Even the official BBC postcard that is sent to fans is guilty of that, with the off-the-shoulder top and hitched-up-to-the-thigh skirt.

"I think that's one of the unfortunate things that comes with the part. They always want something extra that isn't just: 'This is blah playing blah in blah'. There's nothing I can do to escape that, and I'm not in a position to do so. Other actresses who come into the show often say, 'Why don't you put your foot down and say, No'. And all I say is, 'Look, I'd rather be playing Peri and wear that than not play Peri.' There's just no point in jumping up and down screaming about it. One hopes that a few people will look beyond all that, at the face and the acting and take it for what it is rather than just the outward appearance."

Fan Mail by the Box

What about the fan reaction to the addition of Peri to the regular cast of Doctor Who?

"I have so much fan mail that it's almost depressing. By that I mean because I cannot cope and we're going to have to print a standard letter soon. I should think I've now got down to about 500 a week and I feel guilty about it because I want to reply - and my agent thinks it's silly but I want to reply to them all, albeit a scrawl. So John suggested they type up this letter and I said only if I can fill in every name and sign every one personally and enclose an individually signed postcard with each, because that might at least take me back to square one. You see, there was a long delay with my colour postcard and so I had all this mail building up and I'd hurriedly write back to people saying, 'Awfully sorry I don't yet have a postcard, write again'. And it got to the stage when I had so many writing a second time, as well as the first askers, that I had a huge backlog before I could even start.

"Reaction has been fairly good, touch wood, I haven't yet seen a bad letter. Maybe my agent holds those ones back! I now get boxes of the things through the post. Just the other day a huge box marked 'Photocopy Paper' arrived and I thought that I hadn't ordered any photocopying paper and when I opened it, 'Wow!' I thought, there were loads and loads of letters. What takes so long is that firstly letters are sent to the Doctor Who production office where John's secretary sorts them out and posts them off to my agent who in turn bundles them off to me.

"I had a sweet letter recently which goes back to what we were saying earlier, from a lad who said, 'All these sexist photos I've seen you in, do you enjoy doing them or are you forced to?' and then in brackets: 'Not that I don't adore them!' So people have noticed that, and I think there's hope yet!

Another one from a youngster who had read that I'm a great music lover and had filled in this competition with all the right answers and put my name on so that I could win a trip to Venice! And sadly, I didn't get it until after the competition had closed. They write and say: 'Can you come to such and such?' in two weeks and by the time I've got the letter three months have passed."

Looking Ahead

I asked Nicola what her plans for the future were with the series, would she go after just one season like Sarah Sutton or Mark Strickson or stay for sometime like Janet Fielding?

"I don't know. They have another option on me. Will I take it up? Oh, it's not my choice. You've got to remember that they started out with this fresh drama student for an important role who still might have been awful, or worse, so they had an option on me after three stories, then this season and now the next season. It's entirely John's option - he just rings and says that they're taking it up. I think after the next season that'll be it, because there are no more options. And one presumes that by next year, they will be fed up with seeing me! That'll be 2 1/2 years - any longer and I might have outlived one or two Doctors!"



A VIOLENT END? - NICOLA BRYANT INTERVIEWED
Doctor Who Magazine No. 166
October 1990


It's hard to believe that it is almost four years since Peri was apparently blasted from our screens by a crazed King Yrcanos in the closing episode of Mindwarp, her body used as the final stage in the scientist Crozier's mind transference experiments.

Nicola Bryant, who played the role of Perpugilliam Brown for three years, has since worked extensively in the theatre, both in the United Kingdom and abroad. Her recent theatre credits include So Long On Lonely Street under director Lou Stein at the Palace Theatre, Watford and on tour; Jeeves, Twelfth Night and Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf all at the Gateway Theatre, Chester. Over the 1989 Christmas period, her more dedicated fans could see her playing Eva in Absurd Person Singular at the English-Speaking Theatre of Vienna.

"I found that really good fun," she says. "It was a brilliant part and we were there for nine weeks. I was amazed that an English play could sustain itself for that amount of time. Let's face it, a German speaking play in London's West End would probably manage a week maximum. In that time it would probably have covered all the German speaking people in London. It was incredible that we were able to run for so long. It was also good to get out of this country and get a breath of fresh air."

Nicola originally set her sights on becoming a dancer, an ambition which was frowned upon by her parents who regarded the career as unsafe. However as she progressed through boarding school, she found she enjoyed acting and musicals and resigned her dancing to be used in plays and musicals if needed. She trained at the Weber Douglas Academy of Dramatic Art and the Royal College of Music. "After three years of that, you really must know that you want to be an actor", she jokes. In her final year Nicola was spotted by perspicacious theatrical agent Terry Carney, who is not only Mark Strickson's agent, but also the manager/agent and son-in-law of the late first Doctor, William Hartnell. Carney saw Nicola as Nanette in a production of No, No, Nanette, telephoned her and told her he would like to put her forward as the new Doctor Who assistant in the wake of outgoing companion Tegan, played by Janet Fielding.

Nicola mistook the call as a prank, but eventually went to meet John Nathan- Turner, and after four auditions and interviews got her first television assignment literally fresh out of drama school. "The auditioning process was held up a little because John (Nathan- Turner) wanted to see if I could get my Equity Card. I felt after the second interview that as I had a chance of getting the role of Peri I had better make the effort to get my card. I had previously done a lot of dancing jobs, so I took my contracts into Equity. They told me that as they were non-Equity contracts I couldn't get my card so, I did a lot of cabaret, taking my own contracts to pubs, clubs and parties. Eventually I did get my card that way."

When Nicola joined the team in the penultimate Peter Davison story, Planet of Fire, was she aware that a regeneration was imminent?

"Not at all. It was strange because the three months between getting the job and starting filming in Lanzarote I had worked out a background for Peri and formulated all these reasons why she was going off with this particular Doctor, only to find out that he was going to change! I didn't know that Peter was leaving when I joined and I saw no reason why Peri would stay if the new Doctor became a less amicable character, which is what happened.

"Peter and Mark Strickson were very helpful and sweet when I joined. I missed Peter when he left but Colin was great fun to work with. It was good building up a rapport and I enjoyed being with him. We were great buddies and still see each other occasionally. I would like to work with him again."

FAVOURITE ENEMY
Her years with the programme saw Peri pitted against the Master, the Cybermen, the Daleks and the Sontarans. Did she have a favourite enemy or monster?

"I thought that Sil was a very good character and Vengeance on Varos was one of my top favourite stories. I found it very strange working with the Daleks in Revelation of the Daleks I really had to take a step back because I could not believe I was working with them. Obviously, having watched the show when I was younger the Daleks were the monsters I remembered most vividly. That was one of my favourite stories along with The Caves of Androzani. There wasn't a lot of dialogue for me, but I felt it was a great vehicle for Peri and it was a very good story."

And a least favourite story? "Timelash (laughs). I spent most of that story tied to a pole. It was so small minded. I have spoken to some of the other assistants and we all suffered from that problem. I found it incredible that Doctor Who has come so far and all they could find for me to do was tie me to a pole!"

In the Trial series the turbulent relationship with had existed between the Sixth Doctor and Peri stemming from The Twin Dilemma seemed to have been softened, was this intentional?

"Yes. When we came back after so long we felt we couldn't have the same relationship. We would have parted company on bad terms - either I would have left or he would have dropped me off. The relationship settled down and we had to establish that although they may have their differences they still cared for each other. Looking back I think the constant bickering and fighting was taken too far."

Nicola's views on the eighteen month hiatus of the programme are well documented but how did she react to the criticism that Doctor Who had become too violent?

"It didn't make any sense to me. I didn't think the show was too violent. I think it should scare people, as it has always done. There was some great work from Graeme Harper at that time and I thought the criticisms were unjust. There is more violence on the six o'clock news!"

Was she satisfied with her exit from the programme?

"Oh yes. I loved my violent end. I told John Nathan-Turner I wanted to go out with a bang and I certainly didn't want a tearful "Goodbye Doctor" scene or be married off to some hunky Martian. I was disappointed that the ending was negated but I can see that they wanted to soften it because they were getting complaints from mothers wanting to know what to do with their distressed children, who were all Peri fans. The production office received lots of upset letters too. Letters and fan mail were always a problem because of the backlog I always had."

Doctor Who companions have a tendency to be idolised with many of the male viewers and this was certainly apparent with Peri. Does Nicola like being idolised?

"I never thought or think of myself as idolised. Recently I was turning out some stuff from my home and I came across some old fan mail which I didn't know I had. It still amazes me, I guess."

INTO THEATRE
Since leaving the programme, Nicola has worked extensively in the theatre. Was the move to the theatre where there is less chance of being typecast a conscious decision?

"Well, yes. I had done three years of solid television with no variety. My major premise was to get out and do something different and to maintain some variety in what I did. I guess typecasting was never something I sat worrying about. I did get stuck with the screaming thing for a short while. My sister jokingly came to see a show and said 'Have you ever done anything in which you don't scream?' At which point I definitely took her to task and pointed out all the things I have done in which I haven't!

"I have been fairly lucky, in the sense that the roles I have taken have been fifty per cent British and fifty per cent American. That is a great typecast break. When I consider the parts I have played recently, I have gone from a screaming nineteen year old to a thirty- five year old suicidal, depressive maniac. I have been fairly lucky not only in the age range, but also in the variety of the roles I have played.

"I did Blackadder's Christmas Carol a couple of years ago. That is the only real television work I have done for some time, apart from commercials. That also was a very good experience. Rowan (Atkinson) is a total perfectionist and very good to work with. Unfortunately he was rather depressed at the time because his girlfriend had just left him. He is perfectly happy now he's married."

Now, having had much theatre experience, is there any kind of theatre that Nicola particularly enjoys?

"I enjoyed musicals, but I haven't done one for years. I enjoy pantomime too - I'm doing one this year in December, in Camberly, Surrey which will be fun. I don't suppose I have had any preferences recently. I simply enjoy working with good people and doing something I feel positive and productive about. I must admit, there's only one show I have been in which was hell, that's out of the thirty five shows I have done.

"Although typecasting wasn't a problem, if I could do anything I would like to have five different Equity cards. Each of them would be under a different name and I would just keep working as different people! There is a narrow- mindedness in this business about how different the powers that be will let artists be. I think if I was five different people I would not have any problems at all. That aside, I think I am pretty satisfied with the roles I have been playing. I like variety."

In that case does Nicola find the strict regime of theatre monotonous?

"There's no monotony because every night you are trying to improve on what you did or didn't do the night before. I always feel as though the audience is different every night, they react to different things. I do know of actors who get to feel trapped. I suppose seven months was the longest show I have ever been in, that was in a Whodunnit, Killing Jessica, and even then I used to decide every night whether I had murdered the victim or not. Every night I would play the role differently. Brian Forbes, the director, gave me permission to do that and thought it was a pretty fun thing to do. There was only one line that would vary from night to night, the line would not be changed, just the emphasis."

Despite her usually busy schedules, Nicola still finds time to visit the occasional Doctor Who convention and make a personal appearance.

"I don't do many now", she admits, "so they are much easier to cope with. They are almost refreshing but while I was on the show they did get a little tedious and exhausting. It felt as though the show was dominating your entire life: working on it by day, filming in the evening and at weekends, conventions on Sunday. You were lucky if you had a chance to read a script by the time you were finished. I don't mind going back now and talking about the show, as it isn't the dominant part of my life.

"Looking back, I have done an awful lot of commercials this year and a lot of photographic and model work. I did a front cover for a magazine in Switzerland, along with a lot of commercials abroad. Work has been nice because it's been quite varied and given me more time to myself, which for personal reasons I have needed and wanted. It is very easy not to take enough time for yourself, you keep going and going, end up either on the floor or in a hospital bed. I have seen so many people do that to themselves."

Concluding, I asked whether Nicola was still a fan of the show she has so many happy memories of.

"I guess I am, although I don't get a chance to see it now. I haven't seen any of Sylvester McCoy's stories. But when you do get a glimpse of them you always want to go back."

Interview by Paul Smith and Carl Lawrence, with thanks to Nicola Bryant for her time.




Bonnie Langford Interview
Doctor Who Magazine No. 131
December 1987


If ever there was a controversial choice for a Doctor Who companion, it was former child star Bonnie Langford as Melanie Bush. Richard Marson talked to her about her past career, her role in the series as a computer programmer, and about the world of Doctor Who in general...

Bonnie, bouncy and bright-eyed, alternately loved and loathed by TV and the popular press, is the epitome of the showbiz kid.

Winning Hughie Green's Opportunity Knocks at the age of four, training at the Italia Conti school and featuring on This is Your Life before she had hit her quarter of a century are only some of the achievements in a sparkling career. Others include playing Violet Elizabeth Bott in the LWT children's show Just William, starring on stage in musicals such as Cats and The Pirates of Penzance and bringing a new dimension to the title role of Peter Pan.

Bonnie made time to talk to DWM during rehearsals for the latest addition to her long list of successes and came across as interesting and unassuming, completely the opposite to the image projected by the press, and indeed by Bonnie's effervescent performances. Had her career begun with the starstruck notions of a little girl? "I don't remember ever making a conscious decision to do anything. I'm not very good at making decisions and thank God, I didn't really have to make a decision about all of that; it just happened.

"My family are a very strange and wonderful sort of group. We're a complete unit and I think whatever any of us would have done we're just supportive to one another and to where our talents lie. It wasn't just because I went into the business that I was particularly encouraged. It's just that as a youngster, I got some extraordinary opportunities offered to me - things just came my way - and that was that.

''Things haven't ever happened immediately for me. You know how people say, 'Oh, I became an overnight success'. Well, in fact it's nearer when they say, 'Oh, it took me ten years to become an overnight success!' My intention - and I know my parents' intention - was never particularly for me to go on stage as a child. Certainly not to be a child performer because they had heard the awful stories about that as well. The majority of them are stories - they're not real things that go on, not nowadays. But it's more dramatic and people love scandal."

It would be hard to see her as a bank clerk, or in any similar profession: "Er...No! Though funnily enough, I am quite a methodical person. I always believe that there are two words to show business - and business is the longer one. People are always surprised at the amount of paperwork there is, quite honestly."

Bonnie went on to talk about the difference between the normal child and the child performer: "Usually child performers are more disciplined, whereas people would probably feel the reverse and think they were absolute monsters. I always get comments like, 'You must have been a monster,' and 'I bet you were always getting up on the table and dancing at home.'

"But the last thing I would do would be to show off to anybody. I'd just die. I wasn't one of those kids and I'm not one of those people. You know how people can go to a party and then get up and do a sort of party piece? Well, I just hide in a corner. I can't bear it.

"Show business is a word which is often misused - people always think razzle dazzle - but if you're involved in acting, or singing, or dancing you often use that to hide behind. In a funny way; you're hiding behind a mask. You often find it's one of the hardest things to get an actor to say their name on stage, or to go and be themselves. You say, 'What is myself?'

"It's difficult to be precise about this. I love the excitement and the adrenalin of theatre, and of songs and dances and I'm a high energy person. I'm best when I'm using every bit of energy that's inside me. When I'm having to do a lot, I find that I can do a lot. When I'm in an inactive mood, forget it - it's like trying to raise the dead!

"I'm able to channel my energies - and it often gives other people inspiration and energy. It's very difficult in some ways, because people will often turn round and say, 'Oh, God, you're so cheerful - why are you so bright and breezy all the time?' and of course I don't want to be a one-dimension person. I don't want to do just one thing.

"People want the energy but they also like to be able to turn round and put you down for it. They often also feel that you're like that all the time, or that if you don't want to be like that any more, then you must be desperately ashamed of what you've done in the past.

"For instance having done Just William ages ago, people always say, 'I bet you want to forget that.' Well, I don't want to forget it, because I loved it and it was great fun. I was only in a few episodes but it just caught the attention of everybody. It was very exciting and I was completely surprised by it. But I don't want to do that any more, I want to move on.

Bonnie has worked solidly since Just William. "Well, I think a lot of it has been luck. The majority of it has been luck - being in the right place at the right time. I was worried that the bubble would burst and I didn't do any more Just William - I could have continued doing Violet Elizabeth. I could have done commercials, I could have done movies and all sorts of things - but they were all as a precocious six-year-old child. I stopped and I didn't, because I knew that when I was sixteen or whenever, I might turn round and say, 'Hang on, I don't want to be playing a six-year-old any more!' and by then there would've been too big a jump, and it would be a very, very difficult bridge to get over.

"I stopped doing any kind of work for a long time - I really did. I just did pantomime - I was about the youngest Cinderella there's been, at fourteen - and the odd charity show just to keep me happy, and in that time I did my 'O' levels.

"That's why I went to stage school in the first place. So many people go to stage school, just for one reason - to do work in theatre and commercials and so on, but you don't get that much money in the bank as a child. You'd be surprised. You don't get that much money as an adult, either!

"I went to stage school to train - experience is something that's very important and valuable, but there's the right and the wrong kind of experience. That's why I did the work that I did - my parents for my sake couldn't turn down things like going to America for a year and doing Gypsy on Broadway. They had hard decisions to make because they didn't want me to turn round when I was sixteen and say, 'Look, I'm on the dole now and I'm never going to get a job. If only you'd allowed me to do my work when I was a child, I'd be all right now.'

"Often decisions were made for me by the fact that you're restricted to working forty days a year under the age of thirteen and then after thirteen to eighty days a year. It's terrible to have to say, 'No, I can't do that because I haven't got enough days.' You don't know what's round the corner - you might be offered a wonderful job and have to say, 'No, I can't.'"

Which of Bonnie's performing talents stretched and interested her most? "Physically, I suppose dancing. It takes the energy, the strength, the stamina, and all that. I know that I feel best in every sphere when I'm fit in my dancing, because it kind of keeps my whole mind in tune as well. But I wouldn't want to just dance and I find acting and singing mentally stimulating. That's what I need, too. There's no way I could do just one. When you're dancing there's a distance - and that's where the singing and acting comes in, because people like to have vocal contact with you."

Public recognition has been a major feature of Bonnie's life. Does this bother her? "I get a lot of it from building sites! And lorry drivers - you'd be amazed. Occasionally I do think, 'Oh, please don't look at me,' but it is lovely really and there are far more benefits from meeting people.

"People are very friendly and very nice. I do have 'I'll scream and scream' every so often - I had one today in fact - but that's extraordinary in itself, because it's eleven years ago that I did that show. It's frightening to think that it's eleven years ago - but I'm still here."

Doctor Who fans are more protective than most and Bonnie was well aware of general opinion about her arrival: "I was quite a shock to their system, I think! I was aware vaguely what happened, because my agent is also Colin Baker's, but I didn't realise they were quite so protective and possessive about their programme.

"They care very deeply about it, which is wonderful. And it is their programme. I think that they are restricting themselves in many ways - they should be a little more open and they shouldn't pre-judge things sometimes. They often put their opinions first and say, 'Oh, I'm not going to like that,' before they've sampled it. And this is what I got a little bit before I joined the programme.

"I got, 'Oh God, she's going to turn it into 42nd Street,' which is silly, because something like this, which has been going on for twenty-four years now, is not going to be changed for me coming along. I wouldn't want them to, that's not what I'm about. I've been hired to play a part. It meant that all I could - and can - do is what I feel is my best and try and prove them wrong. I never think I've done my best - I'll always watch something and think I could have done that better. Sometimes I can be a bit self-destructive.

"I hated my first episode as Mel - and I had to watch it at the press call. I was sitting at the back and I loathed it. My first couple of scenes were me bobbing around with a skipping rope and I thought, 'Oh no, they're all going to think I'm going to be doing aerobics all the time.' But that kind of started it off - they wanted energy and they wanted kind of a strong character. They wanted a character who wasn't dissimilar to me in some respects and at first, until one could get into the thing, I knew people would be saying, 'Oh, she's just being her,' - until the storyline was established and I could participate in that.

"It was especially difficult, as the character I played suddenly bounced out of nowhere. There was no explanation. I'm just a computer programmer from Pease Pottage who suddenly appears in the TARDIS! I don't actually know much about computers, except I tried to do a bit of research to find out about that.

"Funnily enough, a lot of the American fans wrote to me, saying that this character wasn't so much about the fact that she was a computer programmer but that they tend to be very dedicated people. A computer programmer will stay up for days and nights just to get some sort of program right. In many ways, I as Bonnie am similarly dedicated in my job, so I used that."

Bonnie outlined how the part arose: "I remember meeting John [Nathan-Turner] ages ago now at a restaurant a lot of people go to called Joe Allen's. I'd been chatting to Faith Brown, who'd just been in a Doctor Who and I said, 'I'd love to do one of those, that'd be fun,' and obviously some seeds were sown there. Literally a year or so later, I got this phone call from my agent, saying John Nathan- Turner would like me to meet him in his office.

"I went down there and he showed me this sort of character analysis of Mel and he said, 'What do you think?' I said, 'That's a nice character, sounds fun.' So he said, 'Well, would you like to do it?' And that was it, really. That was November/December and I really didn't think much more about it, because I was opening at the end of the week in Peter Pan. John came to my opening night and a month or so later the press suddenly started to turn up at the stage door. I thought, 'What have I done?' and then there was this sudden panic to do a press call for Doctor Who.

"Doctor Who isn't as strenuous a timetable as a show and I can live at home in London with my family. After the first episodes, I did more Peter Pan and then John phoned me and said, 'We're going to do another series, does it fit in?' And it did, it all fitted in and it was fine."

Bonnie has a typically methodical approach to her part: "What I do is to write out in very precise form the lines that I have, together with each scene and what is happening. It helps me to learn it and it helps as the scripts are often quite hard to work out. I find that I get lost - for example with this block, we're doing the last scene first, the last scene of the whole season and next block, we'll do the beginning of the third and fourth story. It's a case of, 'Which planet are we on now and where are we going?'

"You don't want every beginning and end of a story to be the same and they so easily could be. If I write it out, I find that when they say, 'We're doing episode two, scene twenty- one,' and I think, 'Well, what's that in English?' I can sit back and check and then I can say, 'Ah - I've met this monster by then, I'm trying to work out here how to go along this corridor. I've lost the Doctor so I'm a bit panicked.' I use that to keep a through line, though a lot of it is mental notes, too."

And what of working with two different Doctors? "I haven't consciously thought, 'Oh, he doesn't play it the way Colin does.' I suppose they're different. At first I think he's some kind of nut!' But then I think a rapport just kind of builds up. I'd worked with both Colin and Sylvester before and they're great friends of mine, so I didn't think, 'Oh, I've got to change the way I play that.' Things just happen and I hope we can automatically build a rapport that isn't restricted. I wouldn't say I'd noticed a difference, but then again I hope there is a difference."

What about Kate O'Mara's imitation of Bonnie. Had this caused laughs? "Oh, it was wonderful. She made me do lines and say her lines and then she'd copy them. It was quite, quite weird and one of the weird things was I was standing off the set and there she was in my costume and with a wig and everything saying, 'But Doctor...' and it really made me giggle.

"She was doing a scene as me and they were trying to work out these different moves she was doing and the cameras as well, and one of the cameramen turned round and said, 'Well, when Bonnie goes up here...' and I was saying, 'It's not Bonnie, I'm here. That's Kate!'

"We were having rather a hoot and it was very strange, because it was like looking in a mirror. We have a lot of fun, but there's an element of seriousness running underneath it, too. It's no good guffawing your way through the show. Those are your mind games.

"There are some great out-takes. We had a party the other day and they showed them. Sylvester and I have a hoot sometimes. The episode that Kate was in there was a scene in this brain chamber and it was quite a climactic scene. Kate had this milelong speech to do, all about chronons and stratospheres and God alone knows what else. She had learnt it all wonderfully.

"Sylvester has this terrible way of being able to look at you and then you just crease. He was just kind of looking at her, desperately serious - he wasn't doing anything, but we couldn't help bursting into giggles. We tried so hard to get through that scene. Sylvester and Kate had this great deep discussion that was getting desperately technical and after about an hour of not having anything to say, I had to pipe up with the line, 'The cretacious age'. It just set us all off - it was impossible, because once you get the giggles, it's very hard to stop."

What about the costumes worn by Mel?

"The designers say, 'This is the idea,' and then we try things. Mel is quite fashionable and quite practical and the Doctor has a very big wardrobe, so we assume that Mel has overtaken his wardrobe somewhat.

"Every time I go out to film it pours with rain and I end up in a puddle - we had a lovely week in Wales where the weather was gorgeous but other than that, it's been freezing cold, wet, miserable. I have shivered. Horrendous. No costumes can protect you.

"The worst was on location in a swimming pool for the second story. I mean, the temperature was like a bad joke - I was turning blue. The difficulty was I had to stay there, because of continuity of shots and the need to do everything from different angles, so it wasn't just a case of in and out. That would have been bearable - but this was like a nightmare, made worse by the fact that in the script I had to be saying lines like, 'It's lovely when you're in,' and you couldn't say them through gritted, chattering teeth, shivering away. It had to look convincing. That was a lot of acting, I can tell you."

Every Doctor Who companion has to deal with special effects. "They're very good, the visual effects guys, and they explain everything to you, but it can still be a bit hairy. In the first story I had to do this bit in a bubble, and it had to spin around. That might not sound very daring but in fact it could be very dangerous, especially as all there was to support you was a flimsy pole.

"I was worried when we came to do this that it would collapse and I'd be hurt. They kind of dismissed this as they wanted to get it done, but eventually it was tried and it did go wrong, which was alarming. Normally though, they know what they're doing and you can rely on that."

Sadly, in these days of shorter Doctor Who seasons, it seems we won't be able to enjoy the talents of the programme's regulars for as long as in the past. After appearing in 20 episodes, Mel will have been and gone, already a part of the programme's history.

Bonnie finished by talking about leaving the series: "There are limitations to the part and I don't want to go on doing it forever. Sometimes it's quite difficult, actually - it's a lot harder often to say a short line. Lines with four words in them are excruciating - you sort of pop up and say, 'But Doctor...' and it's quite hard.

"You keep thinking, 'People are going to be so sick of this loon with the red hair running around saying, 'Doctor!'' and I don't want the character to be like that. I don't want to be just a funny old sidekick.

"It's been a very happy series for me. I wouldn't point out one that I've enjoyed most - they've all been great fun in their different ways. I didn't especially want Mel married or killed off - I think what they've got is quite inventive."

After Doctor Who, Bonnie went straight back into live theatre with the lead role in a production of Charley Girl: "That takes me through to February/March and after that I don't know. I don't really like to plan too far ahead - of course, I like to think I'll have security, but I like the wandering element, too, which is why the press always seize on me not having a boyfriend. I'm a career girl, and though that doesn't overrule my personal life completely it's still very much my priority. There's a lot I still want to do!"




Return of the Rani - Kate O'Mara Interview (edited)
Doctor Who Magazine No. 128
September 1987


Kate O'Mara is a popular British actress who made her name in TV series, including Triangle and The Brothers. Her first appearance as the Rani during Colin Baker's era was a great success; and she recently returned to the series to film a Rani story for the new season, and to take a break from Dynasty. She talked to Richard Marson about her career.

Kate O'Mara belongs to the fifth generation of a long established theatrical family, so her decision to act seemed the natural thing to do: "I started very young and I've been at it ever since. I went very briefly to stage school but I don't really consider my career to have properly started until my early 20s. I wasn't committed properly until I got going in rep. and then television.

"Working so quickly in rep. was terribly important - it's great if you get a lovely script, but a weak one forces you to use your imagination more. Doing plays so quickly may not be entirely satisfactory, but it teaches you to get up and get on with it. I've always managed to keep all the media going; film, television and theatre.

"At first in TV I only got glam parts and then as I got older, it co-incided with women's lib and I managed to get tough ladies and it wasn't just the femmes fatales. Now tough ladies are allowed to look glamorous as well. I was always playing foreign parts in the Sixties, because then glamour was synonymous with abroad, so I played every possible nationality under the sun! Now I can play complete women - a combination of all the good elements; strength, sexiness and intelligence."

Meeting Kate O'Mara during a lunch break from rehearsing Doctor Who, it's easy to see why she's been such a success in her profession. Strikingly beautiful, with a rich voice and a very forceful; character, everything about her makes a strong impression. Her quick wit and sharp humour indicate a woman who doesn't suffer fools gladly in a business where flattery is commonplace, and where Kate herself was once feted as a glamorous starlet rather than a serious actress, guesting in TV shows like Adam Adamant and doing fashion features for the TV Times.

"I was only typecast in TV and films, and that was okay, because I was doing what I wanted in the theatre and it's really only the theatre that interests me - every time it's a different experience. You're getting a reaction and you can see and hear people enjoying themselves, which is fantastic.

"My favourite parts include Beatrice from Much Ado About Nothing - I'm potty about Shakespeare - and Stephanie from Duet For One. When that finished, I came back and went to bed literally for three weeks, it was so gruelling.

"After a few days I got a phone call saying my successor had had a nervous breakdown at the dress rehearsal and could I take over, and I had to say no. It was too much - I just didn't have the mental or physical energy. At the end of each show Philip Madoc and I would sit there literally unable to get up, and say, 'We've got to do it again tomorrow - how are we going to do it?'

"I'm afraid I've always used television and films to further my theatrical career, as they make one popular and so fill seats. The amount of effort required isn't any different...one adjusts and puts all one's concentration into it. I've never slept through a part - you can't. I find it impossible to do. If you've got a job to do, you've got a job to do and you can't afford to walk through anything, not in this business."

Kate comes across as a very energetic performer. Where does she get this quality from? "I seem to have a natural source of it. I don't know what it is - my mother [actress Hazel Bainbridge] has got it and I've inherited it from her. She's seventy-eight years old and she's out on tour at the moment playing Miss Marple. Like me she doesn't read critics, but she inadvertently heard one on the radio the other day which said she skipped through the part like a two-year- old! We both have an amazing amount of energy and it must be something to do with hormones or genes."

Kate is, of course, best known for her many long running TV serials, which have included Weaver's Green, Spy Trap, Triangle (which she hated), The Brothers (with Colin Baker) and The Main Chance.

Doctor Who beckoned first as one of a string of guest roles, when Kate was offered the part of Petra by director Douglas Camfield, then assembling his cast for the 1970 adventure Inferno.

"I was offered a scientist, funnily enough, but at the same time I was offered a couple of Hammer horror films and very foolishly I chose the films, when I think I should actually have chosen the Doctor Who. The trouble is, I needed the money and the films were going to pay more and quite honestly that's why I took them.

"Director and producer both decided at the same time that I would be right for this part."

"A few years later, the same director actually wrote a whole Doctor Who story for me, about an Amazon Queen in a subterranean city somewhere. Rather like Rider Haggard's She, all about a lost city and that kind of thing. I was the warrior queen. I thought 'wonderful', he wrote six episodes and they decided they couldn't afford to do it. I was terribly disappointed. After that I thought, 'I really would like to do some Doctor Who, I wish they'd get round to it,' and of course they did - finally!"

That part, the Rani, came about in 1984 when producer John Nathan- Turner was preparing for Colin Baker's first full season: "It was one of those things where director and producer both decided at the same time that I would be right for this part. I'm always keen to work, preferabIy in theatre, but I believe that providing one likes the part, one should do everything that's offered. Work is too scarce not to.

"I adored the Rani when I first read it, because it really is a lovely part. I love the clothes, too; it's dressing up, all butch with boots and padded shoulders and lots of hair. And I've known people in both the stories I've done - Colin of course and in this latest one, Time and the Rani, I've known Wanda Ventham and Donald Pickering for years.

"I hadn't worked with Sylvester or Bonnie before, but that's very stimulating. Sylvester is going to be a superb Doctor. He and Colin are very different. Colin was almost laid back, whereas Sylvester's is a very physical performance. So much power, quicksilver. The chemistry's got to be right and here it is. I think and hope Sylvester and I work well together."

"I'd worked with Andrew Morgan, the director on Time and the Rani before on Triangle. Sarah Hellings I worked closely with because we were creating the original part in Mark of the Rani, but just as importantly, with Andrew I'm consolidating it and I've got such a lot to do, as most of it is just Sylvester and me. It's been very concentrated. Also, I've been touring at the same time, doing Doctor Who by day and Lear by night, which is quite a strain.

"I've suggested lots of changes, simply because you feel that maybe the way you see the character, might not be quite the way others see her. I don't alter that much except to make it easier to say."

In between her appearances in Doctor Who, Kate went to Hollywood, where she played Joan Collins' bitchy sister Caress in the supersoap Dynasty. But the part wasn't scripted for just anybody - it was created with Kate in mind: "They were actually looking for English girls to go into the Dynasty spin-off, The Colbys and I was one of the sixty seen, one of the eight tested and when they saw my test they decided I wasn't right for The Colbys, but that they would write a part into the other.

Kate also talked about the special nature of working on a series like Doctor Who: "There's a lot of waiting about for special effects and I think it's sad that the young actor who's playing my chief henchman is going to be covered in a mask, as he's awfully good.

"In a way there's a different atmosphere because it's such a fantasy, but you've got to take it seriously and believe in it and quite honestly that's very difficult, because a lot of the dialogue is so technical you don't know what you're talking about half the time. But you have to find the truth of it.

"You've got to get it done on time, too, so I rarely crack up. I get nervous - I shall get nervous at the producer's run for this. John is very much in control, it's his baby in a way and he knows exactly what is right for the programme and what they're aiming for. I think it's important to have that monitoring, because you stand a better chance of getting a complete feeling. I think the discipline is why it's successful."

"Doctor Who has taught me a little more about television technique and how to satisfy one's sternest critics."

"I watch television a fair amount, but again only to see my friends, really. I watch myself, too. It's ghastly - I can't bear it. I do it through fingers or I peer round doors, but it has to be done, because one has to see that one's doing it right. You're continually learning.

"Doctor Who has taught me a little more about television technique and how to satisfy one's sternest critics - children. I know it isn't specifically for children, but they are a large factor and I think they are the most difficult people to please, particularly these days. You don't patronise because they're the audiences of the future and they're very bright. They all know about computers and all the things I know nothing about, so the thing to do is to try and get through to children whether you're doing Shakespeare or Doctor Who. If you've succeeded, you haven't fooled them. I want the Rani to be a real threat, a megalomaniac.

"She's a bit of the, 'I Want To Rule The Universe' type. First and foremost she's a scientist. I think it's the problems that appeal to her, but I can't quite work out what her motivation is, because she says that she wants to be able to manipulate time but she's unethical and has no morals. She believes that the ends justify the means.

"What I'm saying is I'm not quite sure what the ends are for her - she talks about saying that she wants to re-direct evolution but why? I'm not sure about that. Maybe that'll be in a future episode. I don't think there's any altrutisic or philanthropic motive at all. It's all purely an experimental thing.

"What I like about the Doctor and the Rani is they're sort of like Holmes and Moriarty - a mutual respect because they recognise each other's abilities. Certainly in these episodes when the Doctor finds out what she's up to and she can't resist a sort of, 'yup, well how about that? that's what I'm up to!"

"She has to have her comeuppance, not necessarily because she's evil but because she's amoral and good must be seen to triumph. The moral aspect is very important, which is why I try to make her as unpleasant as possible. Ruthless with a sense of humour - but it's a rather warped sense of humour! There's a sort of a twinkle there, but not very much of one,· because I don't want her to be attractive at all. She mustn't be attractive, she must be hard, because it's a case of absolute power corrupting absolutely. "

Kate was to have gone back to the series in 1985, but the season was postponed: "I was very disappointed, because I'd had such fun doing it. I was genuinely looking forward to going back as it's such a nice team. I did actually write to John and say, 'How about having me back?' as he'd written to me in Hollywood. So of course he had me back!"

"As for Doctor Who,. I very much hope to return. In fact, I've got an idea for another story which I must tell John!"

Considering the Rani's popularity, it is highly likely she will return to menace the Doctor once more. We concluded the interview by asking Kate the thing she liked most about her lifestyle: "I'm doing a job that I like doing and I'm very lucky because I don't think everybody can say that. I wouldn't change my life for the world."

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